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1  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Which form seems appropriate for the 20th Century? on: November 05, 2005, 11:54:48 AM
The Pound/Browning link very important...
"Und uberhaupt ich stamm aus Browning" {Ez in a letter]

The first draft of 4 cantos  began with the "Hang it all, Roberrt Browning"
passage now in Cano 2

Ez's collected non-Canto poetry titled PERSONAE...masks or persons,
in ref Browniing
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2  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Circle of Life/Axis Mundi on: November 04, 2005, 08:45:09 AM
Erigene --

Pound's favorite quote from Erigena -- OMNIA QUA SUNT LUMINA SUNT
[canto 74]
all things that are are lights


Aother goodie -- "Authority comes from right reason,
never the other way on"
canto 35
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3  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Do you prefer Pound's version of Paradise Regained, on: November 04, 2005, 08:34:11 AM
stillborn chiildren much more common in previous generations, I think

my parents had 2 chillun and one stillbirth
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4  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: What did you like most in this course? What did you like least? on: November 04, 2005, 08:29:36 AM
Bogusmag--


All under the moon is under  Fortuna--Ez [translating Dante,  Thrones cantos]
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5  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Which form seems appropriate for the 20th Century? on: November 02, 2005, 02:58:29 PM
Very good. I think the Cantos have elements of confession all the way through, Ez writes about himself even as he channels Sigusmundo or Tom Jefferson or Kung or even Eleanor.

He understood well that the word 'person' comes from the latin root meaning mask and like Robert Browning he used historical figures as masks to express his own thoughts and feelings.
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6  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Do you prefer Pound's version of Paradise Regained, on: November 02, 2005, 02:45:55 PM
Doctor Gell-Mann found the quarks for which he won the Nobel Prize in FW. 
("Three quarks for Muster Mark")  Of course the number of quarks has grown from three to twelve to twenty four the last I heard, but remain multiples of three.

BTW I think the three sons theme in FW, with the third always shadowy and mysterious, includes a son who is born dead or still born as they say. After all Joyce and Bloom both had one stillborn child...
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7  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Circle of Life/Axis Mundi on: November 02, 2005, 02:37:12 PM
Bobby

Many have thought Vico and Joyce talk of circles but suggest spirals. See " the hidden variables" in Coincidance in which I find a DNA spiral in Finnegan's Wake. Of course we all find our own "mild, tormenting image" in water as Melville said. In FW, in which language becomes watery , also shows each reader his or her own image.

I personally suspect that Vico was attempting to transcend the divine, the heroic and the human in one vision that embraced all three. Certainly that seems to fit Joyce even better than Vico.
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8  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: What did you like most in this course? What did you like least? on: November 02, 2005, 02:28:59 PM
Everything Ive written has earned disrespect from some. At least these guys paid for the priviledge of disrespecting me. 

HAR HAR HAR
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9  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Lps on: November 02, 2005, 12:30:52 PM
Dublin, in local speech, has 4 kinds of mornings

a soft morning --   light  rain, drizzle
a hearty morning  --  heavy rain
a filthy morning -- heavy rain and bitter winds
a glorious morning, praise God -- the sun finally shines
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10  Course Assignments / WEEK TWELVE / Re: Leaves on: November 02, 2005, 12:24:47 PM
The momolog combiines the freshwater Anna Liffey losing her identity in the
saltwater Dublin Bay
and
the tree dying as her last leaves fall to nourish the soil and produse new trees

also
since sara = salt in Sanskrit,Sarah bidding fairwell to Abraham

> Alice bidding fairwell to Humtty Dumpty
magdelene washing the feet of Jesus
[humbly dumbly... to washup]
etc
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11  Course Assignments / WEEK ELEVEN / Re: Li Sao on: October 27, 2005, 11:02:02 AM
I sometimes think that some of you could
teach this course better than I.
Wow!
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12  Course Assignments / WEEK ELEVEN / Re: Canto CXII & Amrta on: October 27, 2005, 10:52:50 AM
I wish poor Ez were still alive
to see the intelligence of such commentaries as yours.
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13  Course Assignments / WEEK ELEVEN / Re: Mind Indestructible on: October 27, 2005, 10:50:13 AM
You captured the essence of Pound's use of the Sudanese legend --
even though rain and industrial waste are hardly equal conditions
in the death camp where a rapist and murderer was hanged every day.

Hooo Fasa
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14  Course Assignments / WEEK ELEVEN / Re: Mirthful on: October 27, 2005, 10:46:36 AM
This theme of divine hilaritas runs all through the Cantos, from the appearance of Aphrodite at the end of Canto I, in which Pound emphasizes her Homeric virtu in the word "mirthful," translated from the Latin. "

mirthful - full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh"

mirthful - arousing or provoking laughter; "an amusing film with a steady stream of pranks and pratfalls"; "an amusing fellow"; "a comic hat"; "a comical look of surprise"; "funny stories that made everybody laugh"; "a very funny writer"; "it would have been laughable if it hadn't hurt so much"; "a mirthful experience"; "risible courtroom antics" - http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mirthful


virtu
"excellence in an object of art, passion for works of art," 1722, from It. virtu "excellence," from L. virtutem (nom. virtus) "virtue" (see virtue). The same word as virtue, borrowed during a period when everything Italian was in vogue. Sometimes spelled vertu, after Fr., but this is unjustified, as this sense of the word is not in Fr. - http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=virtu&searchmode=none

"God rest ye merry, gentlemen"
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15  Course Assignments / WEEK ELEVEN / Re: A New Bible on: October 27, 2005, 10:43:57 AM
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Why do you suppose Jung recommended Joyce as a new Bible for the Western world?

Reading FW has been called an excellent way to prepare for the psychedelic space.  Jung may have seen it as a key for functioning at higher levels of consciousness.  I agree with him.

"Joyce's prose prepared me to enter psychedelic space." --Timothy Leary, FLASHBACKS

Jung said that Joyce had challenged every dualism
that infests and poisons the Occidental mind.
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